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Marverick · Nov 02, 2007, 12:48 AM // 00:48

[skill]Sliver Armor[/skill]

Has anyone found out how the targeting system for Sliver Armor works?
From what I've seen it seems to have a tendency to target the target that it will do the most damage to, as it nearly always hits Warriors instead of Rangers.
But sometimes it just strays off from a low armored target to a high one and then back again...

And then there's the fact that using a shadowstep to a boss nearly always makes it hit the boss.
But then it sometimes it still wanders off if someone else strays near even though the boss or yourself didn't move at all.

Proximity doesn't seem to have anything to do with targeting, it will trail a fleeing target until the target runs out of range even if there's other, closer targets. And it will sometimes swap targets even if you shadowstepped to something that isn't moving, which theoretically means you should be closest to that target.

Is it just completely random or is there some sort of algorithm defining how the targeting for this skill works?

Burst Cancel · Nov 02, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

I don't know if they've changed it, but I remember about half a year back someone established:
- To select the initial target, proximity is used.
- Once the target is acquired, SA will continue to damage that target, regardless of proximity, until the target dies or runs out of range.
- To select a new target, proximity is used again.

placebo overdose · Nov 02, 2007, 12:52 AM // 00:52

well i have done alot of calculations and i have found out that it is magic yep magic

na but really i think it is random

angmar_nite · Nov 02, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

It doesn't stay on the same target. For woespreader, when a warrior enters adjacent range, it will sometimes switch to him.

thedeadlyassassin · Nov 02, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

All I know is it's random unless you shadow step to your target.

Improvavel · Nov 02, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

If u have the boss selected and are close enough for him, it will target the boss.

So Sliver armor either target the target u have selected if you are close enough, or targets the higher level enemy or the enemy with the more hit points.

Angry Shin · Nov 02, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

Purely random.

xvix83 · Nov 02, 2007, 08:19 AM // 08:19

not really random, when u cast silver armour, it will hit the closest target, the one nearest to you, and it will 95-100% hit the target u wanted if you walk/shadow step to him and stand on his location or directly beside him..

anyways these are just my experience in farming greens using my ele...

tmakinen · Nov 02, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

It's still a bit of mystery to me. Proximity doesn't seem to have anything to do with it as long as the target is in range. When farming ice imps (all monsters in the mob being identical to each other) most of the time the target is not the one I'm hacking at the moment but some other much further away.

It has some persistence, too, as I noticed this week while soloing some Juvenile Termites in HM for booze. Having about 10 of them swarming me when I activated SA I noticed that the target freaked out when low on health and run away in a trail of pop-up numbers only to drop dead around 'nearby' range at which point SA got a new target with the same effect. However, when I tried the woespreader farm I found out that in about two tries out of three SA initially targeted the boss to which I shadowstepped but once warriors meandered in, SA switched to one of them.

Random? Bugged? Beats me

mazey vorstagg · Nov 02, 2007, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Definately based on who's closest.

petrorabbit · Nov 02, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Out of experience, theres a few ways to get sliver to target.

As someone else stated, shadowstepping to the target and activating it right away works pretty well.

The other thing i notice is it will target the most damaged foe first. For example, i would open with Shell Shock to put cracked armor on a foe, and shadowstep in and activate sliver. Most of the time it will lock onto your intended target. But if the target gets healed to full before activating sliver then it will mess up your sliver's targetting.

If they do have a healer in the group, I usually go back to the shadowstep targetting.

Angry Shin · Nov 02, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by xvix83

not really random, when u cast silver armour, it will hit the closest target, the one nearest to you, and it will 95-100% hit the target u wanted if you walk/shadow step to him and stand on his location or directly beside him..

anyways these are just my experience in farming greens using my ele...

I've done hundreds of time the shadow-step-Silver armour farm combo, but I don't agree with your percentages it's more 60/70% for me. There is no sure way of targeting the right enemy, which Imo makes silver armour random.

fowlero · Nov 02, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

in my experience it is indeed based on proximity, however:

-sliver armor prefers to hit the highest level/armor foe in your instant proximity (since i've found it hard to get it not to target warriors), where there are no warriors i rarely have problems not getting it to hit a boss

-one thing i learnt is dont just deaths charge in and insta cast, shadow in onto the boss, move out slightly as they mob onto you, then move back onto the boss. in my exp this means that it will almost always hit the boss and not change target onto something that decides to get closer.

its just a case of practise sadly.

onerabbit · Nov 02, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

Well ive noticed it targets casters first, then warriors, then rangers.

Also it targets bosses 99% of the time.

But, if u attack a char boss in HM ( ascalon) it will be random .. dont know why this is.

Orinn · Nov 03, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlero

in my experience it is indeed based on proximity, however:

-sliver armor prefers to hit the highest level/armor foe in your instant proximity (since i've found it hard to get it not to target warriors), where there are no warriors i rarely have problems not getting it to hit a boss

-one thing i learnt is dont just deaths charge in and insta cast, shadow in onto the boss, move out slightly as they mob onto you, then move back onto the boss. in my exp this means that it will almost always hit the boss and not change target onto something that decides to get closer.

its just a case of practise sadly.

Farming Minotaurs in HM,, hours and hours of practice

1: sliver armor will ALWAYS break from the target it's damaging when a level 5 wolf comes into range and kill the wolf. Seems indeed that it will target the person it will do the most damage to within range, even ignoring persistance.

2: If a mino gets to low health and runs, sliver armor will damage it until it is out of range, then switch back to another target. When the first one re-enters range, it is always re-targetted, no matter what the current target is or what the current target's health is compared to the original target.

3: Sliver seems to not target by closest. If you activate sliver, then target your nearest enemy, chances are that that one is NOT being hit. The next target is usually the one being hit, but the third-closest gets hit sometimes too. It chooses a close target, but usually not the one you're on top of.

I don't hit the bosses reliably enough to say what it does in those cases, but if I remember right, it does seem to have a preference for bosses, sticking to them regardless of what other targets except animals are available.

Marverick · Nov 03, 2007, 03:30 PM // 15:30

It nearly always breaks off Bosses if a Warrior comes into Range. Try on Hajkor. Good thing is there's normally only one Marg Warrior so you can still kill the boss after killing the Warrior that strayed in.

But then if you go after Onslaught of Terror, Sliver Armor has targeted him successfully 100% of the time for me. It has NEVER strayed off him for a Blade of Corruption or Scythe of Chaos or whatever. Never.... even though it would hit a Scythe of Chaos for more damage than it would to Onslaught...

Silly Warrior · Nov 03, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Its totally random.

Marverick this really shouldn't be in this section, as it is not a farming build.

I'm going to move it.

Sacratus Ignis · Nov 03, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

never paid attention to targeting when i do it for bulk group farm, but for bosses, if i shadow step there then hit sliver, it targets them always...

Marverick · Nov 03, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

Its totally random.

Marverick this really shouldn't be in this section, as it is not a farming build.

I'm going to move it.

Well it is a skill related to farming lol... that's the only use for Sliver Armor so I thought to put it in the farming section.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Nov 03, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

It's completely random but it likes to avoid certain bosses. Sunreach for example, at least for me in practice.